I used both products together for the first time and my curls were instant. My curls looked so hydrated right after rinsing out the conditioner. My hair is so soft days later and still curly. I have 3a hair and it’s perfect for me. My husband has 4c hair and his hair responded so well! Super soft and defined curls after the first wash for the both of us. I will definitely continue to use this product! Highly recommended!